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		<title>Comment on Het institutionaliseren van agile by nico brandt</title>
		<link>http://sanderhoogendoorn.com/blog/?p=1071&#038;cpage=1#comment-24022</link>
		<dc:creator>nico brandt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>staat deze ook op de agile blog van cap?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Het institutionaliseren van agile by Martijn Teunissen</title>
		<link>http://sanderhoogendoorn.com/blog/?p=1071&#038;cpage=1#comment-24020</link>
		<dc:creator>Martijn Teunissen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helemaal mee eens. Je hebt hiermee niets teveel of te weinig gezegd.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Death by Dogma versus Agile Assembly by Dogma en meesterschap &#124; Agile things</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dogma en meesterschap &#124; Agile things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Death by Dogma versus Agile Assembly by Alberto Brandolini</title>
		<link>http://sanderhoogendoorn.com/blog/?p=1063&#038;cpage=1#comment-22218</link>
		<dc:creator>Alberto Brandolini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 15:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s something about agility that cannot be taught in the traditional fashion. I think this might be a problem in several disciplines, but agile itself requires some specific values and initiatives that cannot simply &quot;be taught&quot;. 

I am immensely grateful to Craig Larman that run the Certified Scrum Master Class that I attended: it was 3 days long, it was deep, and the message was &quot;this is just the starting point&quot;. He showed something like a 70 titles book list, that was more or less required to become good scrum masters. Scary but true. 

Unfortunately, when it comes to mass trainings, many people on the learning side just want some rules to follow, and keep acting like they are on the novice stage of the Dreyfus model. I guess this is both the effect of people &quot;sent&quot; to trainings instead of genuinely curious trainee, and also of the number of teachers who are not at the same  level of the original trainers, some of them are probably not delivering the whole message.

On the other hand, this happened in even worst fashion with different methodologies (RUP ended up being dogma-driven in much shorter time just to mane one) so one might argue that despite the traditional decay curve of any methodology, agile is still doing remarkably well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something about agility that cannot be taught in the traditional fashion. I think this might be a problem in several disciplines, but agile itself requires some specific values and initiatives that cannot simply &#8220;be taught&#8221;. </p>
<p>I am immensely grateful to Craig Larman that run the Certified Scrum Master Class that I attended: it was 3 days long, it was deep, and the message was &#8220;this is just the starting point&#8221;. He showed something like a 70 titles book list, that was more or less required to become good scrum masters. Scary but true. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, when it comes to mass trainings, many people on the learning side just want some rules to follow, and keep acting like they are on the novice stage of the Dreyfus model. I guess this is both the effect of people &#8220;sent&#8221; to trainings instead of genuinely curious trainee, and also of the number of teachers who are not at the same  level of the original trainers, some of them are probably not delivering the whole message.</p>
<p>On the other hand, this happened in even worst fashion with different methodologies (RUP ended up being dogma-driven in much shorter time just to mane one) so one might argue that despite the traditional decay curve of any methodology, agile is still doing remarkably well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Death by Dogma versus Agile Assembly by Cliff Depreytere</title>
		<link>http://sanderhoogendoorn.com/blog/?p=1063&#038;cpage=1#comment-22172</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff Depreytere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 07:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts on that are more or less the same although I do not have the same credentials and experience like Sander does.... 
the &#039;certified&#039; courses though are very nice training sessions to learn more about the framework and to have learn some best practices from the coach itself. I myself had the pleasure of being in a session with Lyssa Adkins who wrote a book about coaching agile teams. So there was nothing wrong with but indeed it&#039;s nothing more than a mere training sessions. 
 
On the other hand I truely think there is a great danger in those certificates. And it&#039;s parallel with what Sander calls Scrumdamentalism in general. 
I like to call it &#039;Wikipedia - Knowledge&#039;, some manager hears a talk about agile and thinks his whole organisation can &#039;improve&#039; by using agile and more in general scrum. 
So the manager does a wiki search on &#039;agile&#039; and &#039;scrum&#039; and reads those wonderful two pages and immediately delegates to his employees to start using scrum and make a backlog first you guys..... 
 
Don&#039;t get me wrong on this matter, it&#039;s nice to see there are still getting more people acquainted with agile.... But... and that&#039;s where the problems arise for me. Enthusiams is great but what does filling a product backlog really mean. Much more than writing user stories according to a predefined format. The small sentence that is a user story is not enough to understand where the product is really going to, what is the complete context regarding the product you want to build or are building. 
That&#039;s why after following the certified scrummaster course , I&#039;ve started reading books like &#039;Pragmatisch Modelleren met UML 2.0&#039; , &#039;Writing effective use cases&#039;, &#039;user stories applied&#039; and much more.... Those are all about creating a clear set of business functionality in the most sensible way possible and useable in an agile environment.  
It&#039;s not only the &#039;analysis&#039; part that has much more to do to it than just writing a small user story... think about the planning and the complexity of those stories...... 
 
But i&#039;m not going to write ten pages long about all that.  
I want to conclude with a piece of advice on that matter. If you are in a management like position and you think your organisation will benefit from using agile, think about it more than once , hire a senior consultant / change agent which has the right credentials, experience and expertise in the agile field and then get started.Instead of sending an employee to a 2 day certification course and  hope he  or she will be able to make your whole organisation more agile....  
 
So Sander, i&#039;m guessing you&#039;re completely spot on with your blog post. Looking forward to read your next book! Tell us when it will be available :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts on that are more or less the same although I do not have the same credentials and experience like Sander does&#8230;.</p>
<p>the &#8216;certified&#8217; courses though are very nice training sessions to learn more about the framework and to have learn some best practices from the coach itself. I myself had the pleasure of being in a session with Lyssa Adkins who wrote a book about coaching agile teams. So there was nothing wrong with but indeed it&#8217;s nothing more than a mere training sessions.</p>
<p>On the other hand I truely think there is a great danger in those certificates. And it&#8217;s parallel with what Sander calls Scrumdamentalism in general.</p>
<p>I like to call it &#8216;Wikipedia &#8211; Knowledge&#8217;, some manager hears a talk about agile and thinks his whole organisation can &#8216;improve&#8217; by using agile and more in general scrum.</p>
<p>So the manager does a wiki search on &#8216;agile&#8217; and &#8216;scrum&#8217; and reads those wonderful two pages and immediately delegates to his employees to start using scrum and make a backlog first you guys&#8230;..</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong on this matter, it&#8217;s nice to see there are still getting more people acquainted with agile&#8230;. But&#8230; and that&#8217;s where the problems arise for me. Enthusiams is great but what does filling a product backlog really mean. Much more than writing user stories according to a predefined format. The small sentence that is a user story is not enough to understand where the product is really going to, what is the complete context regarding the product you want to build or are building.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why after following the certified scrummaster course , I&#8217;ve started reading books like &#8216;Pragmatisch Modelleren met UML 2.0&#8242; , &#8216;Writing effective use cases&#8217;, &#8216;user stories applied&#8217; and much more&#8230;. Those are all about creating a clear set of business functionality in the most sensible way possible and useable in an agile environment. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not only the &#8216;analysis&#8217; part that has much more to do to it than just writing a small user story&#8230; think about the planning and the complexity of those stories&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>But i&#8217;m not going to write ten pages long about all that. </p>
<p>I want to conclude with a piece of advice on that matter. If you are in a management like position and you think your organisation will benefit from using agile, think about it more than once , hire a senior consultant / change agent which has the right credentials, experience and expertise in the agile field and then get started.Instead of sending an employee to a 2 day certification course and  hope he  or she will be able to make your whole organisation more agile&#8230;. </p>
<p>So Sander, i&#8217;m guessing you&#8217;re completely spot on with your blog post. Looking forward to read your next book! Tell us when it will be available <img src='http://sanderhoogendoorn.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Death by Dogma versus Agile Assembly by Cliff Depreytere</title>
		<link>http://sanderhoogendoorn.com/blog/?p=1063&#038;cpage=1#comment-22145</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff Depreytere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 14:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sander, 
I sincerely think you&#039;re right on this matter.  
The Certified Courses though are quite nice to learn about the agile &#039;framework&#039;. But it&#039;s nothing more than just a training indeed. Instead of Scrumdamentalism I like to call it &#039;Wikipedia Management&#039;. Just fill in one simple google search criteria and open up the wiki. 2 days later someone , somewhere in an organisation, has to build some kind of &#039;Product Backlog&#039; and the only thing that person knows is the fact it has a certain predefined format.... That&#039;s quite tricky indeed because such a small sentence called a User Story often does not mention enough functional/product context. What does &#039;as an bookkeeper I want to make an invoice&#039; really really mean. Is it a use case or isn&#039;t it ? That&#039;s why some 5 years ago I started reading books, followed lots of courses, like the one you wrote on UML , some stuff from A. Cockburn about writing effective use cases where there is also a whole chapter on context. Several years later i&#039;m still trying to fine tune my way of analysing although using SMART use cases is a solid approach which has never let me down so far.  
In my opinion it&#039;s more than necessary that agile enthusiast take a closer look at the complete story of software development. For organisations who want to think about changing their current way of working to a more agile way of doing things, I have one piece of advice. Get yourselves a solid  and experienced consultant / change agent who knows the pitfalls instead of abusing a certified scrummaster in your company to widely push agile all over the organisation. 
Because believe me fellow readers of this blog.... It&#039;s not so easy peasy at all :) 
 
Really looking forward to your new book Sander.... Let me know when it&#039;s available. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sander,</p>
<p>I sincerely think you&#8217;re right on this matter. </p>
<p>The Certified Courses though are quite nice to learn about the agile &#8216;framework&#8217;. But it&#8217;s nothing more than just a training indeed. Instead of Scrumdamentalism I like to call it &#8216;Wikipedia Management&#8217;. Just fill in one simple google search criteria and open up the wiki. 2 days later someone , somewhere in an organisation, has to build some kind of &#8216;Product Backlog&#8217; and the only thing that person knows is the fact it has a certain predefined format&#8230;. That&#8217;s quite tricky indeed because such a small sentence called a User Story often does not mention enough functional/product context. What does &#8216;as an bookkeeper I want to make an invoice&#8217; really really mean. Is it a use case or isn&#8217;t it ? That&#8217;s why some 5 years ago I started reading books, followed lots of courses, like the one you wrote on UML , some stuff from A. Cockburn about writing effective use cases where there is also a whole chapter on context. Several years later i&#8217;m still trying to fine tune my way of analysing although using SMART use cases is a solid approach which has never let me down so far. </p>
<p>In my opinion it&#8217;s more than necessary that agile enthusiast take a closer look at the complete story of software development. For organisations who want to think about changing their current way of working to a more agile way of doing things, I have one piece of advice. Get yourselves a solid  and experienced consultant / change agent who knows the pitfalls instead of abusing a certified scrummaster in your company to widely push agile all over the organisation.</p>
<p>Because believe me fellow readers of this blog&#8230;. It&#8217;s not so easy peasy at all <img src='http://sanderhoogendoorn.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Really looking forward to your new book Sander&#8230;. Let me know when it&#8217;s available.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Scrumdamentalists and crusaders by Death by Dogma versus Agile Assembly &#124; Capping IT Off &#124; Capgemini</title>
		<link>http://sanderhoogendoorn.com/blog/?p=1048&#038;cpage=1#comment-22142</link>
		<dc:creator>Death by Dogma versus Agile Assembly &#124; Capping IT Off &#124; Capgemini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 14:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the drawbacks from being dogmagile, building the story up from my previous posts Scrumdamentalists and Crusaders and Flower-Power Agile [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Identifying services we might need in the future but don&#8217;t know right now? by On identiyfing services we might need in the future but don&#039;t now right now &#124; Capping IT Off &#124; Capgemini</title>
		<link>http://sanderhoogendoorn.com/blog/?p=715&#038;cpage=1#comment-21439</link>
		<dc:creator>On identiyfing services we might need in the future but don&#039;t now right now &#124; Capping IT Off &#124; Capgemini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Entering the twilight zone So where does that leave us? To be honest, I kind of lost my cool during the presentation – although other people interpreted my response to the architect in the audience as pretty relaxed and quite polite. But this head-shaking archtect perfectly stated what bugs me about (enterprise) architecture all together. Of course, I respect the idea that enterprise architecture focuses on the long term, and on strategy. But to actually think idea that you can endlessly embark on money-eating journey into the unknown future – easpecially given the current economy – is just not my cup of tea. It’s like entering the Twilight Zone. This is exactly why many large projects fail even before the first line of code is actually written. It’s about adding unknown complexity to projects that are hard enough to run even without us having to investigate possible use in five years. In contrary, we should strive to simplifying our projects. Exactly what I meant to do with modeling services in smart use cases. I know I’m generalizing this a bit, but please, dear architects, let’s focus on reality and costs. Come down from your architectural cloud and be welcome to our twilight zone! Sander Hoogendoorn Principal Technology Officer Read this post (with images) at www.sanderhoogendoorn.com [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Entering the twilight zone So where does that leave us? To be honest, I kind of lost my cool during the presentation – although other people interpreted my response to the architect in the audience as pretty relaxed and quite polite. But this head-shaking archtect perfectly stated what bugs me about (enterprise) architecture all together. Of course, I respect the idea that enterprise architecture focuses on the long term, and on strategy. But to actually think idea that you can endlessly embark on money-eating journey into the unknown future – easpecially given the current economy – is just not my cup of tea. It’s like entering the Twilight Zone. This is exactly why many large projects fail even before the first line of code is actually written. It’s about adding unknown complexity to projects that are hard enough to run even without us having to investigate possible use in five years. In contrary, we should strive to simplifying our projects. Exactly what I meant to do with modeling services in smart use cases. I know I’m generalizing this a bit, but please, dear architects, let’s focus on reality and costs. Come down from your architectural cloud and be welcome to our twilight zone! Sander Hoogendoorn Principal Technology Officer Read this post (with images) at <a href="http://www.sanderhoogendoorn.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sanderhoogendoorn.com</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The explicit role of testing and testers in agile projects by Gokhan Casi</title>
		<link>http://sanderhoogendoorn.com/blog/?p=962&#038;cpage=1#comment-21057</link>
		<dc:creator>Gokhan Casi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting a concept cycle of how to implement certain things when working on a project. The steps I usually used were kind of similar but not identical. This one is much more detailed and better. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting a concept cycle of how to implement certain things when working on a project. The steps I usually used were kind of similar but not identical. This one is much more detailed and better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flower-Power Agile Fluffiness by Dennis van der Stelt</title>
		<link>http://sanderhoogendoorn.com/blog/?p=1059&#038;cpage=1#comment-20957</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis van der Stelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a feeling you&#039;re presenting two complete opposites here. One with _everything_ flufiness, and one completely without. Know you&#039;re completely right if this is continously presented at conferences. I wouldn&#039;t know, I&#039;m not at those conferences. But isn&#039;t Scrum about what works best for you? Maybe these people _need_ the flufiness. :-p 
 
However, in the past, before Agile, people were hiding the fact that they weren&#039;t that good, by shouting a lot and having a lot of meetings. This flufiness feels a bit like it. As long as you present cool new gimmick-like words, you&#039;re a guru in the field and get invited back to conferences. While in the end, you really don&#039;t know all that much, or at least don&#039;t present anything new. Not even good solutions to problems people are having with Agile. 
 
The feature injection quote is a good one. No idea what was said there. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a feeling you&#8217;re presenting two complete opposites here. One with _everything_ flufiness, and one completely without. Know you&#8217;re completely right if this is continously presented at conferences. I wouldn&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m not at those conferences. But isn&#8217;t Scrum about what works best for you? Maybe these people _need_ the flufiness. :-p</p>
<p>However, in the past, before Agile, people were hiding the fact that they weren&#8217;t that good, by shouting a lot and having a lot of meetings. This flufiness feels a bit like it. As long as you present cool new gimmick-like words, you&#8217;re a guru in the field and get invited back to conferences. While in the end, you really don&#8217;t know all that much, or at least don&#8217;t present anything new. Not even good solutions to problems people are having with Agile.</p>
<p>The feature injection quote is a good one. No idea what was said there.</p>
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